55Mo and Shielding Hands not working (sometimes?) - Guild Wars Forums

Moonstalker · Jan 19, 2011, 11:44 PM // 23:44

So sometimes when I'm 55ing my Shielding Hands works fine, negating all damage so I never lose health. But sometimes, it just stops working - The spell is still on, but I just start taking damage and die.
What makes it only sometimes do this?

MisterB · Jan 19, 2011, 11:49 PM // 23:49

The casting order determines the order of effects. Protective Spirit must be cast before Shielding Hands.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 19, 2011, 11:51 PM // 23:51

It might be that you're refreshing certain enchantments (i.e, Prot Spirit) which is reordering the order in which they take effect. Wiki says this though:

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Originally Posted by Wiki

When used with Protective Bond or Protective Spirit, the resolution order is the order the enchantments were applied. For example, on a typical 55 monk, casting Shielding Hands first followed by Protective Spirit results in 5 damage per attack, whereas casting Protective Spirit first followed by Shielding Hands results in 0 damage. Note that, casting Protective Spirit first, then Shielding Hands, then renewing Protective Spirit before either enchantments expire, will still result in 0 damage.

Captain Bulldozer · Jan 20, 2011, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Recasting prot spirit should not reorder the damage reduction from Shielding hands (I've tried this myself many times). So, the most likely explanation is that you're dying from something else. It could be life-steal or you could be forgetting to keep prot spirit on you. Also, I suppose lag could be responsible.

sonofthort · Jan 20, 2011, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer

Recasting prot spirit should not reorder the damage reduction from Shielding hands (I've tried this myself many times). So, the most likely explanation is that you're dying from something else. It could be life-steal or you could be forgetting to keep prot spirit on you. Also, I suppose lag could be responsible.

Recasting prot spirit definitely reorders the damage reduction. This is a well known mechanic. Rule of thumb: never cast prot spirit after shielding hands and expect it to reduce all damage to zero.

mihi · Jan 20, 2011, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Moonstalker

So sometimes when I'm 55ing my Shielding Hands works fine, negating all damage so I never lose health. But sometimes, it just stops working - The spell is still on, but I just start taking damage and die.
What makes it only sometimes do this?

I know what you mean, sometimes, quite rarely, Shielding hands last for 6 seconds or so instead of 8. Some bug I guess, I cast Shield of absorbtion on recharge to avoid the situation.

Moonstalker · Jan 20, 2011, 08:13 AM // 08:13

I tested the whole casting Prot Spirit after I use Shielding Hands, and I still take 0 damage, so that's not the case. Especially since I die usually when I'm not even casting a spell, or haven't. It really just stops working.

Tender Care · Jan 20, 2011, 08:42 AM // 08:42

Are u sure u're not talkign about Shield of Absorption?? Shielding Hands should reduce dmg by 3...15...18! So if u already have Prot Spirit u should be anyway taking 5 dmg max plus using Shielding Hands should give a reduction of 19 (assuming u have 16 at prot prayers).

Never had such problem....

Moonstalker · Jan 20, 2011, 08:46 AM // 08:46

More than positive, sir.
I'd record every farm I did ever, waiting for it to happen.. but.. that's just irritating >.<

Captain Bulldozer · Jan 20, 2011, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by sonofthort

Recasting prot spirit definitely reorders the damage reduction. This is a well known mechanic. Rule of thumb: never cast prot spirit after shielding hands and expect it to reduce all damage to zero.

That is undoubtedly the way it is SUPPOSED to work. However, if you had actually tried this in game, you'd find that it doesn't happen. Several notable 55 farms have existed which even took advantage of this, such as the now defunct 55 farm for stygian gems.

Back to the OP's question: I find that sometimes when farming with a 55 or 330 (or even a 600) I seem to just die for no reason that I see. My only conclusion is that either lag caused skills to not go off they way I thought they were or I just missed something like renewing prot spirit. Doesn't mean what you're experiencing isn't a bug, but until we know more (about where you're farming, what foes, etc.) or see a video of what's happening its hard to say more.

Moonstalker · Jan 20, 2011, 09:39 PM // 21:39

Well, I guess it comes down to me actually recording all my farms until it happens... Damn!
Any good, non crappy quality recording programs I can use that are free?

sonofthort · Jan 20, 2011, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer

That is undoubtedly the way it is SUPPOSED to work. However, if you had actually tried this in game, you'd find that it doesn't happen. Several notable 55 farms have existed which even took advantage of this, such as the now defunct 55 farm for stygian gems.

Back to the OP's question: I find that sometimes when farming with a 55 or 330 (or even a 600) I seem to just die for no reason that I see. My only conclusion is that either lag caused skills to not go off they way I thought they were or I just missed something like renewing prot spirit. Doesn't mean what you're experiencing isn't a bug, but until we know more (about where you're farming, what foes, etc.) or see a video of what's happening its hard to say more.

I 55 farm all the time and use this mechanic. I never die as long as I don't cast prot spirit after shielding hands. Simple as that. Research these forums this problem comes up every once and a while and it's always the same solution.

Godess Charmaine · Jan 22, 2011, 01:50 AM // 01:50

question should be asked What you are farming. when u start taking dmg and dying.I personnly never use sheilding hands, but depends on what you are farming i spose

cheers

Jan 19, 2011, 11:44 PM // 23:44	#1
Moonstalker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: Mo/	55Mo and Shielding Hands not working (sometimes?) So sometimes when I'm 55ing my Shielding Hands works fine, negating all damage so I never lose health. But sometimes, it just stops working - The spell is still on, but I just start taking damage and die. What makes it only sometimes do this?

Jan 19, 2011, 11:49 PM // 23:49	#2
MisterB Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy Guild: [ban] Profession: W/	The casting order determines the order of effects. Protective Spirit must be cast before Shielding Hands.

Jan 20, 2011, 01:13 AM // 01:13	#4
Captain Bulldozer Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008 Guild: Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]	Recasting prot spirit should not reorder the damage reduction from Shielding hands (I've tried this myself many times). So, the most likely explanation is that you're dying from something else. It could be life-steal or you could be forgetting to keep prot spirit on you. Also, I suppose lag could be responsible.

Jan 20, 2011, 08:13 AM // 08:13	#7
Moonstalker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: Mo/	I tested the whole casting Prot Spirit after I use Shielding Hands, and I still take 0 damage, so that's not the case. Especially since I die usually when I'm not even casting a spell, or haven't. It really just stops working.

Jan 20, 2011, 08:42 AM // 08:42	#8
Tender Care Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2008 Location: Blackwater Park Guild: MpF Profession: P/	Are u sure u're not talkign about Shield of Absorption?? Shielding Hands should reduce dmg by 3...15...18! So if u already have Prot Spirit u should be anyway taking 5 dmg max plus using Shielding Hands should give a reduction of 19 (assuming u have 16 at prot prayers). Never had such problem....

Jan 20, 2011, 08:46 AM // 08:46	#9
Moonstalker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: Mo/	More than positive, sir. I'd record every farm I did ever, waiting for it to happen.. but.. that's just irritating >.<

Jan 20, 2011, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#11
Moonstalker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: Mo/	Well, I guess it comes down to me actually recording all my farms until it happens... Damn! Any good, non crappy quality recording programs I can use that are free?

Jan 22, 2011, 01:50 AM // 01:50	#13
Godess Charmaine Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2010 Guild: Deth Profession: Mo/	question should be asked What you are farming. when u start taking dmg and dying.I personnly never use sheilding hands, but depends on what you are farming i spose cheers